Paul Goettlich
Thank you again, Steve, for your passion! I had never heard your story til your reply to Scott. You are putting your grief to such
great use, and you are inspiring and helping to educate so many. I'll be praying for you and your family and for Scott!
- Ann W
Steve,
Your response was beautifully written. Thank you for sharing it. Who is this myopic creep? Does he realize how stupid he
sounds? Keep up the good work. Ginger
Remember that it is always good to have someone you love close to God. Now
you have a special person to intercede for you that knows you better than you know yourself. Keep the faith. The pest control/entomoligists are running
scared and that is why they are getting nasty. - Bob Simon
Steven
I think you are doing a wonderful job and commend you on
your courage in fighting these people. Smart arses like Scott Dideon are just
part of the task we have set ourselves - namely to ensure a safer future for our
children and their children.
I am a victim of a 'state of the art' toxic waste
incinerator emissions. I lost my job, which admittedly wasn't the greatest, but
was steady and paid the bills for 23 years and enabled me, along with my good
lady to raise three children to become decent caring human beings - because of
illnesses that I attribute to the effects of the emissions. I wasn't the only
one affected by these emissions, which were hidden in a visible steam plume that
grounded regularly, but the county authorities refused to investigate any of our
complaints.
Often we find people who have taken up the banner against
the chemical (and associated industries like incinerators) have been thrown into
the fight by circumstances, rather than by choice. A great many of us have no
PHd or even an education higher than secondary school. This of course throws us
open to insults by industrialist along the lines of "working out of his
garage" as if this affects our ability to read and our level of knowledge.
It certainly doesn't alter what we have experienced outside of the garage, our
real life experiences. Our experience/knowledge is not based on the writing of
some smart arse academic sitting in a nice environmentally clean lab or
university, who is often simply repeating the theories of some long dead
Professor who never lived in the real world outside of his study anyway.
We know that the reality is chemists/scientists etc., know
sod all about the effects of the vast majority of the chemical they produce. If
they truly did then why have we just seen major pesticides (POPS) being banned
at the UNEP negotiations in South Africa - because of their long term
persistent's and detrimental effects on human health. Effects it should be said
that have taken many years to have recognised by governments, years in which
innocent people were being poisoned daily, while industry was reaping in huge
profits and in many cases no doubt concealing damming evidence of this ill
health.
Have we all got to have a fancy office before we are taken
seriously? Have we all to attend university for 5 years before we can speak on
our experiences and the knowledge we have gain through many years of research
and speaking to people face to face about their experience?
It certainly seems so in the case of Mr Dideon. Resorting to this
'garage' line shows you have got him rocking on his heels.
He is what we activists in England described as a 'Dick
Head.' The problem with being a Dick Head is your balls get in your eyes and
stop you from seeing reality.
Don't waste to much of your valuable energy of this man.
Wishing you good health in 2001
Yours in solidarity
Ralph Ryder
Communities Against Toxics
PO Box 29
Ellesmere Port
Cheshire UK
CH66 3TX
Email ralph@tcpublications.freeserve.co.uk
ralph@recycle-it.org.uk
Tel/Fax 0151 339 5473
Dear Steve,
I'm so sorry to hear about your Mom. My deepest empathy to you and your family.
We are extremely grateful to you for your courage, strength and committment and I am grateful to your Mom for having such a fine son.
With Great Respect,
Donna M. Reilly
Biologist Scott Dideon defends pesticides, and wrote
Stephen Tvedton:
"If you genuinely want to see an improvement, then
work with those in the industry that are trying to make a difference..."
Great! Finally! Someone we can work with!
We are always trying to work with industry. But industry
won't release data, won't discuss the issues, and has lobbied congress into
passing a law that forbids disclosure of pesticide production data. Imprisonment
and heavy fines await those in industry, who "work" with those who
provide paradigms that conflict with industrial interests, by providing precise
production information (date of production, amounts, and complete destination
data). My experience with the Department of Health is that they won't provide
data requested by independent researchers without going through legal maneuvers.
Pesticide epidemiology is tough for those in and out of
industry. Whereas Nobel prizes await those who try (and even fail) to find
viruses culpable -- for merely associating viruses with disease. What prize was
ever given to a toxicologist?
Scott, I'd like some epidemiological data. But, alas, I
doubt Scott Dideon would have access to such data, and thus has little basis for
declaring that pestides have saved many lives and are a tool for progress.
Scott should know that long-term studies on pesticides are
practically non-existent. He should know that studies and press releases that
conflict with industrial interest are lobbied and fought against every step of
the way. He should know that most court decisions that go against pesticide
companies are historically buried by gag orders, and are thus unavailable to the
next court trial -- but the industry is more centralized, and can refer to its
own cases, to fight the next poisoned victim in court.
We all (laymen and professionals) hear Scott's views every
day, from grade school onward, TV, in movies, from our ill-informed doctors,
speaking from their credentials.
Scott would probably respect Dan Fagin's mainstream
publication, "Toxic Deception", which shows how industry forms
everyone's perception of science -- that studies, submitted to the government
have often been found to be entirely invented. An executive at Dupont brags
about their power to do this: "Science is what Dupont says it is."
So, Scott, to be objective, let's work together. What
epidemiological data can you provide regarding chemicals?
Are you aware that the formulations for the most prevalent
poisons in the New York City area are proprietary? I'm referring to oil refinery
products such as MTBE/benzene in gasoline. That makes epidemiology very
difficult. Ditto, pesticides.
Scott Dideon stresses the utmost importance of credentials.
However, credentials are not related to virtue. Should I
list history's most famous examples?
Scott, I wonder, can credentials be bought, or swayed in
other ways? Do you have any hard data on this?
Seriously, though, data is of utmost important. Scott, can
we work together?
-Jim West
Scott,
I can understand why you don't know how to respond to Steve
telling you that his mother died.
It is necessary for the Cancer/Death Machine to have a
short memory and an infinitesimally tiny heart in order to do what it considers
"must be done."
Pesticides = DEATH
. . . not life.
They are
designed for that one purpose and they do it well. Associating the word
"life" in any way with pesticides is an oxymoron. I wish it were not
so, but the Green Revolution is a myth. It was instigated by greed and continued
by the billions of dollars that are so craftily made from it. Without that
sinful income the industry would not have the voice it needs to prolong its life
of greed and ignorance.
The old adage that "the dose makes the poison" is
also a myth that I see the Cancer/Death machine continuing to blither on about.
Just the other day there was an email request from Fred Whitford, a Purdue
Cancer/Death Machine spokesperson, hawking his latest fairy tale. In it he
stated that BS about "the dose..."
Completely absent from his work is any mention of low-dose exposure.
<http://www.agcom.purdue.edu/AgCom/Pubs/PPP/PPP-43.pdf>
It's difficult to understand how the Cancer/Death machine
can be so blinded by its lust for profit.
To successfully and completely reduce risk associated with
human exposure to pesticides they must be severely (emphasis on severely)
restricted or completely banned.
I highly recommend taking a look at Steve's website.
Paul GoettlichPO
Box 517
Berkeley CA 94701
gottlich@hotcoco.infi.net
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